Thanks to Jessie's marvellous dream that I envied for its clarity and meaning, my subconscious mind decided to give a clear dream the very next night! I didn't actually remember it until I was reading the post I had just written, and the image popped into my mind....
It's still not as beautifully symbolic and as crystal clear as Jessie's, but as she said, it doesn't take Freud to unravel it, either!
In my dream, there was an enormous anaconda or python or something. It's face looked more like a lizard's, colourful and angular, but it was very clearly an enormous engorged snake. It looked like it had eaten a person (or several people, actually).
(I have to mention as an aside that a follow-up recommended YouTube video from the one I was watching on elephants involved a snake apparently eating a security guard in the Indian subcontinent. I didn't click to view it for obvious reasons. Urgh. That's probably where the snake in my dream with the engorged belly full of bodies came from! Yuck!).
In my dream, this giant snake was all entwined in the hedge that lines the side of my driveway. I was standing at my garage door or next to it, surveying the scene. A stupid opossum, this dirty, giant rat with matted damp fur, was stalking the fattened, digesting snake. Yes, a very stupid marsupial with the brains of diarrhea was attempting to eat the snake from the tail end.
I was scared of the snake. It's prudent to be frightened of anything that eats humans. But I didn't rush back inside, because I was almost lulled into a false sense of security; it had fed. And it had fed BIG TIME. This enormous reptile would probably have to stay there, entwined in the bushes, digesting for the next week at the very least. The energy out-put required just to move would be inefficient. I knew enough about snakes and other poikilotherms to be reasonably assured that the snake had ceased to be a real menace.
Still, the opossum was imbecilic. I saw it reach to nibble at the stumpy little tail-end of this great snake. I cringed. It was the stupidest thing I had ever seen.
The snake moved. Lugubriously but precisely. Its head (that of a lizard's more than a snake?) leered at me. I was scared. It trained its icy gaze at the opossum who hadn't the foresight to run. And with lightening speed, it lunged the 2 foot gap with the free non-engorged part of its body (its neck region) and its fangs pierced and scraped and poisoned the opossum.
It didn't eat the opossum - it had merely killed it. The awful monster just wanted it dead. What harm was a stupid marsupial going to do to a snake that weighed more than an automobile? And then, as the opossum died a gruesome, jerking death from poison, the snake decided to eat it anyway.
It was the worst thing I had seen. (I still have a horrendous mental image of this!). The opossum was alive enough to pathetically try to squirm out from between the flexible jaws of this gargantuan reptilian beast, but was so completely overpowered that it only served to delay the inevitable. The snake, despite being full from eating beyond its fill, still had room for one more stupid, harmless marsupial who, like me, had assumed that this snake would be pacified for quite some time. There was no more room inside it. But it turns out there is always room for opossum (the Jell-O of the snake diet?)....!
I don't remember what happened after that. The dream carried on elsewhere.
Before anyone decides to apply Freudian psychology to this, I am aware of a large snake being entwined in the bushes of my driveway as providing suitable fodder for sexual imagery! I don't quite think that's what this dream was about, however.
I've got to stop eating marshmallows before bed. This always happens!
Here's what I think this vaguely represents, though I'm open to alternative explanations:
- The snake/reptile is my mother. She's devoured me, or parts of me, or me and other people.
- I don't fear my mother enough. I let my guard down when I believe her to be pacified after having fed on someone (or me) previously. The danger, however, remains.
- I think I might also be the opossum. Or it's an aspect of me. I'm not clear on this. I think it might be my subconscious's representation of my attempts to do battle with her - I'm not fierce, I'm kind of pathetic, I'm sneaking up on her from behind, awaiting the opportune moment . . . and it's all quite stupid and I'm going to be killed. And then maybe engulfed, too.
In my view each part of the dream is a part of us.
ReplyDeleteSo: you are appalled at some of your behaviour and also judge some of what you do as stupid. You can forsee outcomes but feel frozen and helpless.
Questions for exploration:
What does the opossum want? What if you the observer could guide it?
What does the snake want? What is its virtue(s)? What if the observer could guide it?
What would it take for your observing self to intervene?
None of which is to disagree with your ideas. Just a different approach.
Thanks Evan! Interesting approach...
DeleteI'm appalled at my desires for vengeance, to 'fight back' (or perhaps "bite back" is a better phrasing).
I think it's risky to engage with my NM at all, ever. I also worry that she's going to find this blog and use it against me.
The opossum wants to fight the snake, or injure it, or something. It's motives aren't good, and I happen to think opossums are dirty, repugnant creatures. Maybe it's rabid, as I always assume opossums are!
If I the observer could do something, I'd chase the opossum away! Not so much for it's own good, but because I don't like opossums!
I don't know what the snake wants. I know for sure that it's comfortable living in my front yard and is going to be either a major pain to get rid of (and huge expense! A team of animal control officers, dart guns, a back-hoe to lift it out...!), or I could just hide in my house and wait for it to eventually go elsewhere to hunt and feed... There's nothing I can do to move it. I don't think it has any virtue - it's a cold-blooded killer that will eat 'til it bulges. It's huge, powerful, silent and deadly. It's also cruel and "snake-like"; it's 'evil' to some extent, but then again it is what is and can't help itself. I really don't like it. It's terrifying and disgusting and I'd rather it disappear to whence it came!
If I the observer could guide it, I'd send it slithering away in fear! I would scare that thing out for good so it will not be tempted to return! Only trouble is that I'm scared of it, and it isn't the least bit scared of me....!
I don't really know what I can do as the observer. Go back inside, bolt the door, call animal control! Get a team of people to come and take the monster away, while I distract myself inside the house!
Boy, I really can't think of what aspect of me that snake represents. Or the opossum. If they are parts of me, I'd say there are big parts of myself I find detestable!
My NGC just "found" my blog and I'm sure the next step will be to in some way share it with my NPs. So far, nothing really earth shattering has happened and the NGC used the opportunity to prove that I was 100% right about him.
DeleteAs for my parents, other than cut me out of their will, which they've probably already done, there's not much they can do that hasn't already been done. Put me down? Call me vile names? Offer zero support even when my husband dies? Make me fee like a worthless piece of shit? Cut off all contact?....YAWN!
Do a worst case scenario on them finding your blog. You might be surprised at what a non-issue it is!
Thanks Mulderfan. :-) I'm sorry your NGC found you (and has been pestering you for sometime now!). I don't understand why they go looking for us! I think it's the unknown motivation there that scares me - it seems obsessive and insane! And ironically, NOT self-centred in some ways...
DeleteI come on here to bitch and whine about my life (arguably narcissistic of me), and yet our wholly self-absorbed parents (and siblings, where applicable), spend their time tracking us down? Okay, arguably narcissistic, too - hunting their quarry that BELONGS to them. But still.... there's something about the pattern that doesn't fit here and it really frightens me.
I've got to stop trying to figure out their motivations. It can't be good for me. But then again, how else do you anticipate problems in order to better side-step them?
Remember when we were talking about your NM being so entranced with the other grandkids, that you thought she might leave yours alone? Seems similar to me. Like the grandkids were her first meal, but there is always room to eat some more. Just a random thought.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting that you had this dream for me. I am terrified of snakes, and have been since I was little. All through my late teens and into my late twenties, I used to have a dream that a giant snake was swallowing me whole. I hated that damn dream, and I had it all of the time. I would be paralyzed and just have to lay there while it devoured me. I don't have that dream anymore but it's been replaced. Now, I'm walking through a forest. I know there are Grizzly bears in the forest stalking me. Sometime, they chase me down. Sometimes they eat people near me. Sometimes they are just watching. Usually, they don't get me, but I'm always fearful as they get so close. I guess that is a step up, I'm not being swallowed whole any more!
Wow, that's really interesting! And I'd say it sounds like a step in the right direction if you're not the one getting eaten anymore! :-)
DeleteI think this is my first 'snake eating people' nightmare. Maybe since there's something so reptilian about narcissists, it's an obvious metaphor?
I have had Grizzly and bear nightmares, though! Again, another gigantic, aggressive, impossibly strong wild animal. Apex predators. It's pretty telling of what we believe the NParents' relative capabilities to be!
Someone once said to me, "Narcissists aren't magic, you know!". It's true - though we might see them as having strength of orders of magnitude greater than us, in reality they are limited in the same manners that we are. I don't personally find this completely comforting, but it is good to keep your imagination/worries in check! Every so often my brain starts constructing something that, when I think about it, is practically impossible. ;-)
For example, I had a nightmare that my EF got into my apartment and stabbed me in the guts when I was getting out of my shower. First of all, my EF would probably never even consider doing such a thing, no matter what pressure he was under! And he certainly wouldn't carry through with it. And he'd have to have busted in the door or broken a window to get in... there's really too many unlikely actions there to even worry about!
Sometimes my poor mind gets so consumed with worry that I do start forgetting what normal everyday limitations exist for my NParents. ;-)
Seeing yourself as an animal known to play dead is interesting.
ReplyDeleteI've been dreaming about the end if the world for the past couple weeks. Seriously starting to annoy me.
Ha, I don't think I knew/remembered that opossums play dead! Of course! Thanks for pointing that out!
DeleteI have been having "end of the world" nightmares for the entire year, too. I hear you. It's exhausting! The details differ, but it's always "the end of days" and it's terrifying....
Major psychological paradigm shift, maybe? :-)
I think you're probably right about an internal shift. I've got huge things going on in my life now and I'm waiting for bad things to come after me and ruin it all.
DeleteI have to say, the dreams aren't the scariest nightmares I've ever had. I don't wake up with my heart racing. They mostly are just a relentless onslaught of destruction heading my way.
I'm glad you posted about this. Got me thinking.
Hi Quercus,
ReplyDeleteYour reply to Mulderfan made me think of something...
"I don't understand why they go looking for us! I think it's the unknown motivation there that scares me - it seems obsessive and insane! And ironically, NOT self-centred in some ways...
I come on here to bitch and whine about my life (arguably narcissistic of me), and yet our wholly self-absorbed parents (and siblings, where applicable), spend their time tracking us down? Okay, arguably narcissistic, too - hunting their quarry that BELONGS to them. But still.... there's something about the pattern that doesn't fit here and it really frightens me."
I was reading a paper the other day about how abused children (physical, emotional abuse and otherwise) suffer from more anxiety, have poorer health, etc. The paper suggested that this could be an example of "survival of the fittest", that this is a way of weeding out the weak. Grrr. So-called evolutionary psychology rears its ugly, spurious head again.
Anyway, it occurred to me that while destroying the young this way happens in the wild sometimes (usually to eliminate competition, I think - I'm no expert, just what I've heard) It goes against human nature to do so (or at least it should, for heaven's sake!) But perhaps the predatory N behavior is so hard to understand and predict because it DOES go against human nature. We breed to propagate the species, not to destroy it. I mean, what if you are a nice, normal human woman with all the best qualities that humans can aspire to...but you happened to be born to a woman with the instincts of a gluttonous python? You're functioning on an entirely different level, it would naturally be confusing.
Thinking of my mother as functioning mainly on a predatory level helps me deal with her a bit better. Not to truly understand her, but it helps me to see what she's after.
Now you've got me thinking evoluntionarily/survival-wise!
DeleteWhat if...
What if our NParents are the ones who are suffering from the greatest anxiety? What if they are geared-up in the brain to believe that they are under constant threat?
Maybe that's why there's no room to "be human", as you suggest! If my NM is even more "keyed up" than I am, it might explain why she's so desperate?
You, and me, and every other self-identified ACoN are different from our parents because we've investigated and identified the 'problem' and are addressing it/undergoing therapy to undo learned behaviours from people who are, and let's be fair to them, completely under-qualified to teach humanity! ;-)
Maybe WE are the stronger of the two! We're the ones trying to break the cycle, after all! It would certainly be easier (less painful, for example, less humbling, too) to be animalistic and prey on our own young if we felt the need to (bunny rabbits eat their own babies if they feel threatened. Gross, eh? A herbivore consuming their newborns - I don't get it either!).
I really like your "View the NParent as a Predator" view. I can stop worrying about specific motivations of theirs if I simply accept that they are predatory! (How 'smart' is a lion after all? It doesn't appear to have higher-level thinking - it's all instinct and predation!).
Hmm. I'm going to assume that my separate existence is tantamount to THREAT to my NM. Therefore, I can expect that she's going to try to bring me down - for her own 'safety'.
Thanks Elena! I think you just filled in a missing piece of my mental puzzle! :-D
Narcissist = predator!
Hi there, only found this great blog yesterday.
ReplyDeleteSnake characteristics:
*lizard face - appearances deceiving - presents negative aspects of herself more positively/ make excuses for them
* colorful and angular - knows how to appear interesting/ powerful to impress others
* entwined in hedge - carefully plans attacks and times them best to her advantage while seeming most "innocent"
* snake fattened - obviously very skilled, experienced and successful in her attacks
Opossum - if they're like Australian possums you're being unfair on it; I seen possums on my balcony and they always look clean!! (Saw the cutest baby one scamper across the ledge the other night)
Same for imbecilic - it obviously hasn't been educated by its mother; they have very good instincts and run away at the least danger. Unless you're just a human, they watch you carefully. (I think possums in Australian bush suburbs have learnt how to take advantage of us humans).
Possum being poisioned - yes us survivors of Narcissists have been poisoned by their many lies and personal attacks; only difference is that we can and do recover. (And it sounds like you are doing just that)
Hi Christine!
DeleteThanks for your interpretation! Really interesting - the imagery of the snake that you unravel is something I hadn't considered! And yes, it fits with how I feel!
I like lizards better than snakes. I find them more endearing; maybe can relate to them better. Snakes are almost alien and seemingly more different to us (to me, anyway). I hadn't considered that the unexpected face of the snake was meaningful in this way! Cool!
Possums in North America are gross. At least the urban ones are. Mangy and matted and rabid. Aussie possums are CUTE! (Just Googled them!). :-)
Thanks so much for the compliment! I really had intended this 'blog' to be a 'relay site' (hence the 'central hub' stuff), but I can't keep my mouth shut.... ;-) I'm still interested in having be a 'hub site', or even a magazine-style format with different contributing authors. If you're ever interested in writing, please let me know! :-)
I just looked at opossums and they look quite different which is surprising with such a similar name. As for putting words to your snake imagery, probably comes from too many tree snakes around at the moment *shudder*.
DeleteHmmm... maybe over time I'll think about expanding on my story. It's quite an involved one and I am in early stages of "no contact" (she doesn't realise that yet) so I am a bit fragile right now.
Yes, N American opossums are quite ugly in comparison, aren't they? And truthfully, I usually only ever see them as road-kill, and they aren't very fluffy or sweet in that state. :-) Aussie possums are adorable, though!
DeleteOh, no pressure at all to write! And don't even think about it until you feel ready. We can all relate to that tenuous state in the beginning (there are more tenuous states along the way!). ;-)
I quite honestly wish you the best of luck, Christine! Stay in touch! The point at which they confront you about 'no contact' tends to be a doozy... or a total let-down. The 'doozy' but comes from the angry, enmeshed sort of NM. And the total let-down comes from the cold, ignoring sort of NM (who doesn't notice or care that you're gone, despite the agony and emotional roller coaster you feel about going 'no contact' on your end!).
I'm thinking about getting a list together to divide up the blogs I'm aware of into the different categories so that readers can find the stories of ACoNs that are most similar to their own! :-)
Great to get to know you! If you need to vent, we're here to listen! Best of luck!
And Australia (so far) is rabies free - so we can cuddle the cute and furry critters without worrying about that.
ReplyDelete[But koala's are ill-tempered and have nasty spikes - so best not cuddle them.]
Oh drat! :-) Koalas are so cute! I did see that they have tree-climbing spikes, though - just like Canadian Lumberjacks! :-D
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